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achilles
14-08-2009, 05:40 PM
The race in question 4.05 Newbury today.
I backed Getcarter at 2/1 who won at a SP of 15/8F!

[B Miss Chamanda (IRE)[/B] was withdrawn at the start.
Now on the Sporting Life result page it was declared a rule 4 with a 10p in the pound ruling.

William Hills has charged me 15p in the pound and when I have had an online chat with a muppet at their end, they have basically said that is correct!

However Bet365 charged me 10p in the pound!

Who is right, or are they both correct as they adjust the rules to suit themselves? :confused:

bobajobber
14-08-2009, 06:04 PM
It was 9/1, so it is a 10p in the

Rule 4 Deductions
3/10 or shorter = 75p in the
2/5 to 1/3 = 70p in the
8/15 to 4/9 = 65p in the
4/5 to 4/6 = 55p in the
20/21 to 5/6 = 50p in the
Evens to 6/5 = 45p in the
5/4 to 6/4 = 40p in the

13/8 to 7/4 = 35p in the

15/8 to 9/4 = 30p in the

5/2 to 3/1 = 25p in the

10/3 to 4/1 = 20p in the

9/2 to 11/2 = 15p in the

6/1 to 9/1 = 10p in the

10/1 to 14/1 = 5p in the

Over 14/1 = No Deductions

bennythec
14-08-2009, 06:10 PM
Useful post that boba, thanks for that!

middleton
14-08-2009, 06:15 PM
Yes, thanks boba. :)

Good to have these figures.

lew
14-08-2009, 06:33 PM
Hi Achilles,

Unfortunately there is no 'common' set of rules that all bookmakers must conform to. Though most if not all will have a copy of their specific rules in their betting shops. It might be worth visiting a William Hill shop to see what their written rules are as regards Rule 4. In any case I found these rule on the web and is an extract from

www.sportsbookreview.com/Betting+Rules+Archive/349-Will+Hill/Betting+Rules.aspx

) Should a HORSE be WITHDRAWN without coming under starters orders in an early bird race, stakes on that selection will be returned, with bets on other runners in the race subject to a deduction in accordance with Tattersalls' Rule 4, based on the first advertised price. However bets placed after a market has been reformed will be subject to a deduction based on the first advertised price of the non runner(s) in the reformed market. Bets on horse race events placed after the final declaration stage are not ante post and will be settled in accordance with these rules. Should a GREYHOUND be WITHDRAWN in an early bird race, all bets nominating that selection either by name or trap number will be void, if a price has been taken. Bets on remaining runners are settled at starting price.

Also =

LATE WITHDRAWALS

a) Where a horse is withdrawn before coming under starter's orders, or is officially deemed by the starter to have taken no part in the race, stakes will be returned on the withdrawn horse and winning bets will be subject to deductions in accordance with Tattersalls' Rule 4.

The rate of deduction will be based on the following scale:

Price of non-runner at time of withdrawal Amount deducted from winnings
1/9 or longer odds on 90p in the
2/11 to 2/17 85p in the
1/4 to 1/5 80p in the
3/10 to 2/7 75p in the
2/5 to 1/3 70p in the
8/15 to 4/9 65p in the
8/13 to 4/7 60p in the
4/5 to 4/6 55p in the
20/21 to 5/6 50p in the
Evens to 6/5 45p in the
5/4 to 6/4 40p in the
13/8 to 7/4 35p in the
15/8 to 9/4 30p in the
5/2 to 3/1 25p in the
10/3 to 4/1 20p in the
9/2 to 11/2 15p in the
6/1 to 9/1 10p in the
10/1 to 14/1 5p in the
Over 14/1 No deduction


b) In the event of two or more horses being withdrawn before coming under starter's orders, the total deductions shall not exceed 90p in . Should a horse be withdrawn and a new market formed, then any bets laid at 'show' prices prior to the new show will be subject to the above deductions. In the event of a further withdrawal after the market has been re-formed, bets placed at 'show' prices in the original market will be subject to a further deduction based on the price of the withdrawn horse in the original market. Bets placed in the new market will be subject to a deduction based on the current price.

c) The above scale will also apply in the case of non runners in early bird races.

d) Where the total deduction on the market in which you have placed your bet is 5p in the , as a concession, the deduction will be waived.


I don't know if this helps, but it might be worth writing to theiir Head Office with details of your bet, when it was placed etc.

Be seeing you

achilles
14-08-2009, 09:44 PM
Thanks lads for the comments.

Noticed on my Hills statement for the bet the following:

Rule 4 deductions
15.00p Reduction at 05:00:00 --> 15:51:28
10.00p Reduction at 15:51:29 --> 16:05:21
10.00p Reduction at 05:00:00 --> 16:05:21

Now all I can assume is that the 15p applied because of the first non-runner My Best Bet and not the withdrawn horse at the start ... oh bugger it I am just confused, I am phoning them tomorrow when I have had some sleep! :confused:

bobajobber
14-08-2009, 11:48 PM
Hi Achilles,

Unfortunately there is no 'common' set of rules that all bookmakers must conform to.



a) Where a horse is withdrawn before coming under starter's orders, or is officially deemed by the starter to have taken no part in the race, stakes will be returned on the withdrawn horse and winning bets will be subject to deductions in accordance with Tattersalls' Rule 4.



Tattersalls' Rule 4
This is an across the board rule,they all comply to the scale above.

The only small difference is,...some high st bookies dont take it,..if it is below 25p, Wilf Gilbert are definately ones who do not....its about time they kicked the whole thing into touch,especially if you have taken the early price.